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Escrito por El Serbio, 10.04.2025 at 08:45

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Just a few months ago, he made a video about an exploit and shared them with pretty much everyone. The video is now private, but honestly, if he had good intentions, he could've just told us directly.
As much as I would support the unban or 2nd chances for most people, he would be one of those where I'm not sure if it would be the right thing to do.
For everyone else, it would make me happy seeing some more old faces around, but it's not my call at the end of the day.

At last, I don't think I have to repeat what so many have already said, but Tiger29's and Domo's posts represent what I'm thinking more or less.

Escrito por YourSphinx, 08.04.2025 at 09:31

Escrito por El Serbio, 08.04.2025 at 07:24

As for xBugs—we played years ago when he was around rank 7. I'm not his biggest fan because his ego might actually be bigger than yours, but I can't deny he's smart and could do a lot to help the game. Did he cheat? Yes. Would he do it again if unbanned? I honestly don't think so. I don't even know if we'd end up playing again, but you get the point.

You lost all credibility when you said bugs should be unbanned. That unhinged freak has been perma banned for many years before Dave and should be forever.

"The enemy of my enemy is not my friend"

Any idea/movement bugs attaches himself to is wildly unserious. It's time you understand that.

He is not smart. He cannot create, only destroy.

He can hardly be considered an atwar player, he cheated as a rank 2 in 2017 and has been perma banned since, with short stints of playing under an alt. He is not a part of this community, drop it.

I don't agree with you.. I cheated too when i was young(on other games). Will i do it again? No.
He was permabanned 8 YEARS AGO.. People grow up and changes, you know? Except Mauzer.

Escrito por Tiger29, 09.04.2025 at 20:39

The more I watch this play out the more I realize the whole problem is everyone cares about this game, but is too mad at each other to reach a peaceful solution. I wish everyone could agree so change could happen. The game is dying, and we are all here arguing instead of seeking peace. We are holding old grudges against people from 4 years ago Guys let's forgive each other and move on and enjoy this game.

Yea I've been playing this game since 2017, sad to see how many players I used to play with banned off the platform or just completely inactive

The more I watch this play out the more I realize the whole problem is everyone cares about this game, but is too mad at each other to reach a peaceful solution. I wish everyone could agree so change could happen. The game is dying, and we are all here arguing instead of seeking peace. We are holding old grudges against people from 4 years ago Guys let's forgive each other and move on and enjoy this game.

I love at war cant we all be friends UwU

Escrito por YourSphinx, 09.04.2025 at 19:39

The issue is there's no single goal here, the constant moving of goal posts from the players, no congruent plan. Players need to understand they can cry as hard as they want and there's some things that will not change and rightly so.

And from Dave's end I guess, he hasn't concretely specified on who's banned forever and who's not, there seems to be some level of wiggle room for some and none for others, which is understandable.

I have no dog in this fight anymore.

I just hope both sides have fun.

This is right aswell. I just wished some sort of agreement could be made between both sides, however as of right now it doesn't seem possible. I want some players to come back to comp, thats all man.

The issue is there's no single goal here, the constant moving of goal posts from the players, no congruent plan. Players need to understand they can cry as hard as they want and there's some things that will not change and rightly so.

And from Dave's end I guess, he hasn't concretely specified on who's banned forever and who's not, there seems to be some level of wiggle room for some and none for others, which is understandable.

I have no dog in this fight anymore.

I just hope both sides have fun.

Escrito por Frieren, 09.04.2025 at 15:47

Both sides think they're too good to change, truly a sad thing to see. On the one hand the banned players can't stop being obsessed and toxic towards Dave. And Dave is hardstuck on the idea that unbanning is wrong. I'm not saynig either side is right but if only there were a solution that both could apoligize and both could work together to please both sides, I could definitely work towards mending a deal or helping in any way.

this

Back to my earlier post, I still believe that people cannot be inherently good or bad they are simply products of their surroundings, this doesn't excuse anyone for having what humans consider morally wrong by the general population but rather provides vital context on what makes someone act the way they do. However I will say there are probably people who act worse on their emotions and people who choose to be bad.

I'm particularly interested in learning more about Orthodox Christianity, which was mentioned earlier in this thread. I admittedly don't know much about it, but what little I've heard and read sounds appealing to me. I've found there is a Greek Orthodox church near where I live, which I want to go visit but have not done so yet.

Lately I've also been considering the idea that maybe "good" and "evil" are forces that exist in the universe and that people are merely "lenses" (for lack of a better word) through which good or evil can flow? That maybe those people we consider "evil" are just more highly susceptible to allowing the evil force to flow through them? (I haven't fully thought this out...)

I went through an experience recently with someone who I genuinely thought was a "good" person, who turned out to actually be a very evil person. Not using the word "evil" lightly, I mean really one of the select few I've encountered in my life who I would actually apply the word "evil" to. It makes me think that evil sometimes masquerades as good in order to deceive you, which makes things even more confusing and difficult to figure out. But I digress. (This experience I'm referring to has no connection with atWar so please don't read too much into it.)

Both sides think they're too good to change, truly a sad thing to see. On the one hand the banned players can't stop being obsessed and toxic towards Dave. And Dave is hardstuck on the idea that unbanning is wrong. I'm not saynig either side is right but if only there were a solution that both could apoligize and both could work together to please both sides, I could definitely work towards mending a deal or helping in any way.

Crazy to see people I once spent nights playing with last logged in 10 years ago. Great times. I'll never forget Afterwind and the friendships it gave me. I wish I could relive those days, but it's impossible. The game has changed, so has the internet and our lives.

Escrito por Dave, 09.04.2025 at 14:58

Escrito por Lev Davidovic, 09.04.2025 at 09:09

Dave man, i can't quite crack your code of behaviour. You keep the game running despite it dying, and i thank you for it. You even keep coming here anwering (almost) all the requests and comments (even if focusing on some parts and ignoring others). I love that, i interpret those as acts of a person who care, but in the same time the content of your comments seems to always state the same thing: "4 or more years have passed - not gonna change my mind - all those people will remain out of the game - all the discussion is (has been, will be) useless - game gonna keep dying deal with it".
It almost looks like you are a pure soul captive of your own ego, desperatly wrapped between trying to do the interest of the game (and the community) and standing still proving a point old years, blindly believing that relinquishing it will harm whats left of the game and the community.
I would love to help that pure soul, one way or an other (kill whats left of this game, perhaps sell it, or try save it), i just dont know how to.

There are people here who are mad at me because I'm not giving them what they want. According to them I'm an evil narcissist. So that's one possibility to explain my code of behavior.

Let me propose another possibility. I'm not going to tell you what to think -- all I ask is you consider the following, and then decide for yourself which explanation of my behavior best fits reality.

Maybe I'm not an egoist, or a narcissist, or even a bad guy at all.
Maybe I do care about atWar, and feel obligated to protect it / preserve it.
Maybe I really do believe that removing those people from the community was a net positive for atWar.
Maybe I reject the argument to "unban", not because I'm not hearing what people are saying, but because I believe it would be a mistake.
Maybe I think that less activity is preferable to bad activity.
Maybe I think we are actually better off this way.

I choose to answer you this because you seem like somebody who is rational and open to listening. Take from that what you will.

what happened?

Escrito por Lev Davidovic, 09.04.2025 at 09:09

Dave man, i can't quite crack your code of behaviour. You keep the game running despite it dying, and i thank you for it. You even keep coming here anwering (almost) all the requests and comments (even if focusing on some parts and ignoring others). I love that, i interpret those as acts of a person who care, but in the same time the content of your comments seems to always state the same thing: "4 or more years have passed - not gonna change my mind - all those people will remain out of the game - all the discussion is (has been, will be) useless - game gonna keep dying deal with it".
It almost looks like you are a pure soul captive of your own ego, desperatly wrapped between trying to do the interest of the game (and the community) and standing still proving a point old years, blindly believing that relinquishing it will harm whats left of the game and the community.
I would love to help that pure soul, one way or an other (kill whats left of this game, perhaps sell it, or try save it), i just dont know how to.

There are people here who are mad at me because I'm not giving them what they want. According to them I'm an evil narcissist. So that's one possibility to explain my code of behavior.

Let me propose another possibility. I'm not going to tell you what to think -- all I ask is you consider the following, and then decide for yourself which explanation of my behavior best fits reality.

Maybe I'm not an egoist, or a narcissist, or even a bad guy at all.
Maybe I do care about atWar, and feel obligated to protect it / preserve it.
Maybe I really do believe that removing those people from the community was a net positive for atWar.
Maybe I reject the argument to "unban", not because I'm not hearing what people are saying, but because I believe it would be a mistake.
Maybe I think that less activity is preferable to bad activity.
Maybe I think we are actually better off this way.

I choose to answer you this because you seem like somebody who is rational and open to listening. Take from that what you will.

Dave man, i can't quite crack your code of behaviour. You keep the game running despite it dying, and i thank you for it. You even keep coming here anwering (almost) all the requests and comments (even if focusing on some parts and ignoring others). I love that, i interpret those as acts of a person who care, but in the same time the content of your comments seems to always state the same thing: "4 or more years have passed - not gonna change my mind - all those people will remain out of the game - all the discussion is (has been, will be) useless - game gonna keep dying deal with it".
It almost looks like you are a pure soul captive of your own ego, desperatly wrapped between trying to do the interest of the game (and the community) and standing still proving a point old years, blindly believing that relinquishing it will harm whats left of the game and the community.
I would love to help that pure soul, one way or an other (kill whats left of this game, perhaps sell it, or try save it), i just dont know how to.

Escrito por Dave, 08.04.2025 at 22:28

They need to apologize to me (and really to atWar as a whole), not the other way around.

This needs to be highlighted.

If you or you know of someone that was banned that wants to be here, I would encourage you to try and reach out to Dave privately and ask for a fresh start. AW is full of passionate people and passions flare up. The trick is understanding that most of us have the same interests here. We all want AW to continue and do well.

Escrito por Skittzophrenic, 08.04.2025 at 22:21

I've been on this game for over 13 years. I've made a lot of friends and a lot of enemies... and I miss both.

Preach!
Long time no see Skkitz

Escrito por Dave, 09.04.2025 at 01:15

Escrito por 77TENGRI99, 09.04.2025 at 00:37

Me and jugers randomly got email from aw "heres your account id and password " this was few months later we left the game

Did it look like this?



If so, that's just an automated message that happens when some wiseguy puts your username here:



It definitely wasn't from me.

ok g my bad i didnt think that my id password would randomly appear in my mail like that. we thought it was u doing it

It's a good game. I hope you are wrong.

@Tengri
Once upon a time I was called to cw but did not remember my password. A clanmate of mine knew for some reason to tell me in instance "it's ***** how can you not remember such an easy password?'. And that's AtWar in itswhole glory for you.

Escrito por 77TENGRI99, 09.04.2025 at 00:37

Me and jugers randomly got email from aw "heres your account id and password " this was few months later we left the game

Did it look like this?



If so, that's just an automated message that happens when some wiseguy puts your username here:



It definitely wasn't from me.

Escrito por Dave, 08.04.2025 at 22:28

Escrito por 77TENGRI99, 08.04.2025 at 22:21

They expect dave to apologize or sell aw. He restored some deleted accs and sent simple email with id and password but they didnt want to come back

I don't know where you're getting your information Tengri. I have not restored any accounts or sent any emails. They need to apologize to me (and really to atWar as a whole), not the other way around.

Escrito por 77TENGRI99, 08.04.2025 at 22:21

Most banned or deleted people i know dont even want to come back.

Good! That's the whole point.

Me and jugers randomly got email from aw "heres your account id and password " this was few months later we left the game

Escrito por 77TENGRI99, 08.04.2025 at 22:21

They expect dave to apologize or sell aw. He restored some deleted accs and sent simple email with id and password but they didnt want to come back

I don't know where you're getting your information Tengri. I have not restored any accounts or sent any emails. They need to apologize to me (and really to atWar as a whole), not the other way around.

Escrito por 77TENGRI99, 08.04.2025 at 22:21

Most banned or deleted people i know dont even want to come back.

Good! That's the whole point.

I guess it's time for my 2 cents

I've been on this game for over 13 years. I've made a lot of friends and a lot of enemies... and I miss both.
Just bring these people back, I wasn't really here during the purge but I did want to say something but never did because I didn't want my account to be banned.
I don't think it should matter if people shouldn't be back here, the game is literally unplayable most of the day. I barely come back because there is no one here really. I miss playing scenarios.
Banning people has consequences and they are showing right now. People deserve chances. Just mute them for an hour if they rile up. But don't reban them.

Most banned or deleted people i know dont even want to come back. They expect dave to apologize or sell aw. He restored some deleted accs and sent simple email with id and password but they didnt want to come back

Escrito por Metyu, 08.04.2025 at 18:15

Hey, congrats on winning the game, mate!

Yeah I didn't like the feeling. Betting the faith of a 8 hours game over an unlikely turnblock is far more exciting.

Right now I hope there is now WWII player reading this and screaming "FUCKING ROi!!!!"

Escrito por the equalizer, 08.04.2025 at 14:29

Would it be against the rules for me to tell OP to kill himself? because he should

He actually has tried but has failed numerous times due to the fact his weight destroys the noose

Escrito por clovis1122, 08.04.2025 at 14:14

Escrito por Dave, 01.04.2025 at 23:41

The only mistake I've made with atWar was actually caring TOO much about the community and what other people think. It caused me to waste too much time talking to people trying to make them see my position. Nobody cares. Waffel is the perfect example. I spent HOURS talking with that dude, listening to his concerns, telling him mine, and trying to reach understanding. Then he goes off and posts things which only show me that he absolutely did not understand anything I said. The lesson I've learned: people are gonna bitch no matter what. Nothing I say will change their minds. Just do what you need to do for the best interests of the game and ignore the noise.

I made the same mistake

I guess deep down, we'd like to believe we can solve differences through communication. And yet, that will just never work with some people. Identifying such people is a hard task... even after we decide to burn the bridge and cut ties, we're left wondering: had we communicated better... could we have settled our differences?

100% this.

Escrito por 4nic Smith, 08.04.2025 at 09:53

Cmon Dave, do the right thing, its now or never, general pardon my friends, they dindu nothing, general pardon even xbugs just tie his hands so he wont hack anymore.

Sorry cousin, but you know I'm doing the right thing by keeping the bad people outta here.

Escrito por Red.Army, 08.04.2025 at 06:54

They painting you out to be this evil guy who won't change his mind about banned players when it is simply not true. You and the mods didn't have to remove my permaban back during the pandemic, but you did

You're one of the few we gave a 2nd chance to who DIDN'T make us regret it. Thank you.

I really admire your passion for creating maps for a game that's on its last legs.