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06.03.2018 - 19:22
This topic was just made to start a flamewar, lets be real.
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06.03.2018 - 23:28
Imo it could only serve to fuel the already existing hatred between all the different ethnic groups, they're fine the way they are now, the only thing close to a reunification of Yugoslavia that might be good for the people there would be a loose confederation, or something like the EU, where each ethnic group still gets their own country but can still work together easier with the others
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06.03.2018 - 23:30
 Witch-Doctor (Mod)
Escrito por Viruslegion, 06.03.2018 at 23:28

Imo it could only serve to fuel the already existing hatred between all the different ethnic groups, they're fine the way they are now, the only thing close to a reunification of Yugoslavia that might be good for the people there would be a loose confederation, or something like the EU, where each ethnic group still gets their own country but can still work together easier with the others


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07.03.2018 - 02:13
It would be best nation at football and atwar
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07.03.2018 - 03:15
Escrito por Witch-Doctor, 06.03.2018 at 23:30

Escrito por Viruslegion, 06.03.2018 at 23:28

Imo it could only serve to fuel the already existing hatred between all the different ethnic groups, they're fine the way they are now, the only thing close to a reunification of Yugoslavia that might be good for the people there would be a loose confederation, or something like the EU, where each ethnic group still gets their own country but can still work together easier with the others






OMG IM DYING
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07.03.2018 - 04:59
 Don
Escrito por Rock Lee, 07.03.2018 at 02:13

It would be best nation at football and atwar

basketball
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07.03.2018 - 06:25
 4nic
Escrito por Guest, 06.03.2018 at 22:30

Escrito por Franz, 06.03.2018 at 19:22

This topic was just made to start a flamewar, lets be real.

Believe it or not, there are some intelligent balkan players who will make some valid points, but yeah it will eventually derail into a flamewar

it wont derail if its initial idea is to flamewar
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07.03.2018 - 10:27
 Nero
Would be stronk 15 reinf and 212 income.

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07.03.2018 - 10:59
Escrito por Witch-Doctor, 06.03.2018 at 23:30


Witch-Doctor in love with me confirmed
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07.03.2018 - 12:25
 Witch-Doctor (Mod)
Escrito por Viruslegion, 07.03.2018 at 10:59

Escrito por Witch-Doctor, 06.03.2018 at 23:30


Witch-Doctor in love with me confirmed

Don't say such pathetic crap.
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07.03.2018 - 13:00
What if you weren't ugly
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07.03.2018 - 13:18
If you ever feel the forums are quiet and want some entertainment, make a thread like this.
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07.03.2018 - 13:21
If yugoslavia unites the war of the true yugoslavian will begin D
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07.03.2018 - 14:07
 4nic
Escrito por Guest, 07.03.2018 at 14:00

Escrito por 4nic, 07.03.2018 at 06:25

Escrito por Guest, 06.03.2018 at 22:30

Escrito por Franz, 06.03.2018 at 19:22

This topic was just made to start a flamewar, lets be real.

Believe it or not, there are some intelligent balkan players who will make some valid points, but yeah it will eventually derail into a flamewar

it wont derail if its initial idea is to flamewar

And since making this thread most posts have been constructive. Haters gonna hate

not true all id have to do here is say fuck -insert random balkan country here- and it will ignite the fuse.
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07.03.2018 - 14:09
 Oleg
This is very outdated video that I saw while back ago.
First mistake that I saw is that religious part, over 60% of people in Ux-Yu region (so called western Balkans) are non religious people.
Yugoslavia would not be profitable for Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia, because B&H and Macedonian economy would really be dependent on help from Northern Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia (Montenegro is in middle, Montenegro would actually prosper in such situation, since they are huge importers of food in summertimes since a lot of tourists visit Montenegro in summer season, and their current food production is not enough to feed tourists+locals). Montenegro wod prosper, while similiar thing that happened with Greece in EU would happen to Bosnia on smaller scale. Croatia, Slovenia and Serbia (I always say Northern Serbia) would have a lot of expenses made because of Bosnia and Macedonia (primary Bosnia). Generally, only winner in that situation would be Montenegro, becoming "new Slovenia", and Slovenia would be the biggest looser, followed by Southern Croatia (which would lose its tourists because of new situation in Montenegro) and Northern Serbia.
Last thing that I would say is that completely unified country would not stand a chance to exist, or would most likely be union, more unified than EU but not completely. One president would not, again, be possible, neither the normal parliament. There would be 6 presidents, from every country, that would rotate have representative as main president that would rotate between them every year. Presidential elections would happen every 6 years. Parliament would, most likely, be parted to 7 equal parts, 6 parts would be for every major populations, and 7th for minorities(Albanians, Hungarians...). Government forming would also be pretty complicated. For government to form, there would need to be special system which would, in short, include all nationalities. In theory, for government to form, there would need to be 51% agreement from every of these 7 parts of parliament. Parliament elections would happen every 6/10 years (since it would way too hard to form government actually...)
From what you read above, you could understand why Yugoslavia doesn't exist. People down here are way too nationalistic, they would never accept to have government or president that isn't the same nationality as they are, and that's why Yugoslavia can only exist in dictatorship. It is easy for the USA to exist as it is, since it is just bunch of mixed Europeans that forgot their language and speak only English....(with some exceptions)
At the end, Croat I love you
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07.03.2018 - 14:10
Escrito por 4nic, 07.03.2018 at 14:07

Escrito por Guest, 07.03.2018 at 14:00

Escrito por 4nic, 07.03.2018 at 06:25

Escrito por Guest, 06.03.2018 at 22:30

Escrito por Franz, 06.03.2018 at 19:22

This topic was just made to start a flamewar, lets be real.

Believe it or not, there are some intelligent balkan players who will make some valid points, but yeah it will eventually derail into a flamewar

it wont derail if its initial idea is to flamewar

And since making this thread most posts have been constructive. Haters gonna hate

not true all id have to do here is say fuck -insert random balkan country here- and it will ignite the fuse.

fuck skopje
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07.03.2018 - 14:12
 4nic
Escrito por Froyer, 07.03.2018 at 14:10

Escrito por 4nic, 07.03.2018 at 14:07

Escrito por Guest, 07.03.2018 at 14:00

Escrito por 4nic, 07.03.2018 at 06:25

Escrito por Guest, 06.03.2018 at 22:30

Escrito por Franz, 06.03.2018 at 19:22

This topic was just made to start a flamewar, lets be real.

Believe it or not, there are some intelligent balkan players who will make some valid points, but yeah it will eventually derail into a flamewar

it wont derail if its initial idea is to flamewar

And since making this thread most posts have been constructive. Haters gonna hate

not true all id have to do here is say fuck -insert random balkan country here- and it will ignite the fuse.

fuck skopje

fuck belgrade, sofia, tirana and athens
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07.03.2018 - 16:08
It would be easier to get rid of the balkan once and for all.

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Escrito por Guest14502, 11.10.2014 at 09:44

Waffel for mod 2015
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07.03.2018 - 16:53
 Oleg
Escrito por Waffel, 07.03.2018 at 16:08

It would be easier to get rid of the balkan once and for all.



What gives you rights to say something like this?
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07.03.2018 - 16:54
Escrito por Oleg, 07.03.2018 at 16:53

Escrito por Waffel, 07.03.2018 at 16:08

It would be easier to get rid of the balkan once and for all.



What gives you rights to say something like this?

The same rights for you to say ur shit every time.
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07.03.2018 - 17:10
 Oleg
Escrito por Waffel, 07.03.2018 at 16:54

Escrito por Oleg, 07.03.2018 at 16:53

Escrito por Waffel, 07.03.2018 at 16:08

It would be easier to get rid of the balkan once and for all.



What gives you rights to say something like this?

The same rights for you to say ur shit every time.

What is exactly "my shit" that I say every time?
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08.03.2018 - 05:21
Probably same thing with two previous Yugoslavias. ''Mah freedom, Serbs suffocating us.''
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08.03.2018 - 10:13
Escrito por Oleg, 07.03.2018 at 14:09

This is very outdated video that I saw while back ago.
First mistake that I saw is that religious part, over 60% of people in Ux-Yu region (so called western Balkans) are non religious people.
Yugoslavia would not be profitable for Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia, because B&H and Macedonian economy would really be dependent on help from Northern Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia (Montenegro is in middle, Montenegro would actually prosper in such situation, since they are huge importers of food in summertimes since a lot of tourists visit Montenegro in summer season, and their current food production is not enough to feed tourists+locals). Montenegro wod prosper, while similiar thing that happened with Greece in EU would happen to Bosnia on smaller scale. Croatia, Slovenia and Serbia (I always say Northern Serbia) would have a lot of expenses made because of Bosnia and Macedonia (primary Bosnia). Generally, only winner in that situation would be Montenegro, becoming "new Slovenia", and Slovenia would be the biggest looser, followed by Southern Croatia (which would lose its tourists because of new situation in Montenegro) and Northern Serbia.
Last thing that I would say is that completely unified country would not stand a chance to exist, or would most likely be union, more unified than EU but not completely. One president would not, again, be possible, neither the normal parliament. There would be 6 presidents, from every country, that would rotate have representative as main president that would rotate between them every year. Presidential elections would happen every 6 years. Parliament would, most likely, be parted to 7 equal parts, 6 parts would be for every major populations, and 7th for minorities(Albanians, Hungarians...). Government forming would also be pretty complicated. For government to form, there would need to be special system which would, in short, include all nationalities. In theory, for government to form, there would need to be 51% agreement from every of these 7 parts of parliament. Parliament elections would happen every 6/10 years (since it would way too hard to form government actually...)
From what you read above, you could understand why Yugoslavia doesn't exist. People down here are way too nationalistic, they would never accept to have government or president that isn't the same nationality as they are, and that's why Yugoslavia can only exist in dictatorship. It is easy for the USA to exist as it is, since it is just bunch of mixed Europeans that forgot their language and speak only English....(with some exceptions)
At the end, Croat I love you

Inforced intermarriage, a new nation language (that would be forced), and implantation of a new Slavic ethnicity would help to unify, then after maybe 50 year or so when most the old ethnicity died out then you could merge the nations under the Yugoslavian banner have a president or what ever and really it would be European USA with out the American problems
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08.03.2018 - 10:26
 Oleg
Escrito por Larry, 08.03.2018 at 10:13

Escrito por Oleg, 07.03.2018 at 14:09

This is very outdated video that I saw while back ago.
First mistake that I saw is that religious part, over 60% of people in Ux-Yu region (so called western Balkans) are non religious people.
Yugoslavia would not be profitable for Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia, because B&H and Macedonian economy would really be dependent on help from Northern Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia (Montenegro is in middle, Montenegro would actually prosper in such situation, since they are huge importers of food in summertimes since a lot of tourists visit Montenegro in summer season, and their current food production is not enough to feed tourists+locals). Montenegro wod prosper, while similiar thing that happened with Greece in EU would happen to Bosnia on smaller scale. Croatia, Slovenia and Serbia (I always say Northern Serbia) would have a lot of expenses made because of Bosnia and Macedonia (primary Bosnia). Generally, only winner in that situation would be Montenegro, becoming "new Slovenia", and Slovenia would be the biggest looser, followed by Southern Croatia (which would lose its tourists because of new situation in Montenegro) and Northern Serbia.
Last thing that I would say is that completely unified country would not stand a chance to exist, or would most likely be union, more unified than EU but not completely. One president would not, again, be possible, neither the normal parliament. There would be 6 presidents, from every country, that would rotate have representative as main president that would rotate between them every year. Presidential elections would happen every 6 years. Parliament would, most likely, be parted to 7 equal parts, 6 parts would be for every major populations, and 7th for minorities(Albanians, Hungarians...). Government forming would also be pretty complicated. For government to form, there would need to be special system which would, in short, include all nationalities. In theory, for government to form, there would need to be 51% agreement from every of these 7 parts of parliament. Parliament elections would happen every 6/10 years (since it would way too hard to form government actually...)
From what you read above, you could understand why Yugoslavia doesn't exist. People down here are way too nationalistic, they would never accept to have government or president that isn't the same nationality as they are, and that's why Yugoslavia can only exist in dictatorship. It is easy for the USA to exist as it is, since it is just bunch of mixed Europeans that forgot their language and speak only English....(with some exceptions)
At the end, Croat I love you

Inforced intermarriage, a new nation language (that would be forced), and implantation of a new Slavic ethnicity would help to unify, then after maybe 50 year or so when most the old ethnicity died out then you could merge the nations under the Yugoslavian banner have a president or what ever and really itwould be European USA with out the American problems

Force? I talk about democratic unifying.... and also, history proved that you are incorrect.
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08.03.2018 - 10:34
Escrito por Oleg, 08.03.2018 at 10:26

Escrito por Larry, 08.03.2018 at 10:13

Escrito por Oleg, 07.03.2018 at 14:09

This is very outdated video that I saw while back ago.
First mistake that I saw is that religious part, over 60% of people in Ux-Yu region (so called western Balkans) are non religious people.
Yugoslavia would not be profitable for Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia, because B&H and Macedonian economy would really be dependent on help from Northern Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia (Montenegro is in middle, Montenegro would actually prosper in such situation, since they are huge importers of food in summertimes since a lot of tourists visit Montenegro in summer season, and their current food production is not enough to feed tourists+locals). Montenegro wod prosper, while similiar thing that happened with Greece in EU would happen to Bosnia on smaller scale. Croatia, Slovenia and Serbia (I always say Northern Serbia) would have a lot of expenses made because of Bosnia and Macedonia (primary Bosnia). Generally, only winner in that situation would be Montenegro, becoming "new Slovenia", and Slovenia would be the biggest looser, followed by Southern Croatia (which would lose its tourists because of new situation in Montenegro) and Northern Serbia.
Last thing that I would say is that completely unified country would not stand a chance to exist, or would most likely be union, more unified than EU but not completely. One president would not, again, be possible, neither the normal parliament. There would be 6 presidents, from every country, that would rotate have representative as main president that would rotate between them every year. Presidential elections would happen every 6 years. Parliament would, most likely, be parted to 7 equal parts, 6 parts would be for every major populations, and 7th for minorities(Albanians, Hungarians...). Government forming would also be pretty complicated. For government to form, there would need to be special system which would, in short, include all nationalities. In theory, for government to form, there would need to be 51% agreement from every of these 7 parts of parliament. Parliament elections would happen every 6/10 years (since it would way too hard to form government actually...)
From what you read above, you could understand why Yugoslavia doesn't exist. People down here are way too nationalistic, they would never accept to have government or president that isn't the same nationality as they are, and that's why Yugoslavia can only exist in dictatorship. It is easy for the USA to exist as it is, since it is just bunch of mixed Europeans that forgot their language and speak only English....(with some exceptions)
At the end, Croat I love you

Inforced intermarriage, a new nation language (that would be forced), and implantation of a new Slavic ethnicity would help to unify, then after maybe 50 year or so when most the old ethnicity died out then you could merge the nations under the Yugoslavian banner have a president or what ever and really itwould be European USA with out the American problems

Force? I talk about democratic unifying.... and also, history proved that you are incorrect.

in all honesty it worked well for the USA so i just think it would work here too
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08.03.2018 - 10:37
 Oleg
Escrito por Larry, 08.03.2018 at 10:34

Escrito por Oleg, 08.03.2018 at 10:26

Escrito por Larry, 08.03.2018 at 10:13

Escrito por Oleg, 07.03.2018 at 14:09

This is very outdated video that I saw while back ago.
First mistake that I saw is that religious part, over 60% of people in Ux-Yu region (so called western Balkans) are non religious people.
Yugoslavia would not be profitable for Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia, because B&H and Macedonian economy would really be dependent on help from Northern Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia (Montenegro is in middle, Montenegro would actually prosper in such situation, since they are huge importers of food in summertimes since a lot of tourists visit Montenegro in summer season, and their current food production is not enough to feed tourists+locals). Montenegro wod prosper, while similiar thing that happened with Greece in EU would happen to Bosnia on smaller scale. Croatia, Slovenia and Serbia (I always say Northern Serbia) would have a lot of expenses made because of Bosnia and Macedonia (primary Bosnia). Generally, only winner in that situation would be Montenegro, becoming "new Slovenia", and Slovenia would be the biggest looser, followed by Southern Croatia (which would lose its tourists because of new situation in Montenegro) and Northern Serbia.
Last thing that I would say is that completely unified country would not stand a chance to exist, or would most likely be union, more unified than EU but not completely. One president would not, again, be possible, neither the normal parliament. There would be 6 presidents, from every country, that would rotate have representative as main president that would rotate between them every year. Presidential elections would happen every 6 years. Parliament would, most likely, be parted to 7 equal parts, 6 parts would be for every major populations, and 7th for minorities(Albanians, Hungarians...). Government forming would also be pretty complicated. For government to form, there would need to be special system which would, in short, include all nationalities. In theory, for government to form, there would need to be 51% agreement from every of these 7 parts of parliament. Parliament elections would happen every 6/10 years (since it would way too hard to form government actually...)
From what you read above, you could understand why Yugoslavia doesn't exist. People down here are way too nationalistic, they would never accept to have government or president that isn't the same nationality as they are, and that's why Yugoslavia can only exist in dictatorship. It is easy for the USA to exist as it is, since it is just bunch of mixed Europeans that forgot their language and speak only English....(with some exceptions)
At the end, Croat I love you

Inforced intermarriage, a new nation language (that would be forced), and implantation of a new Slavic ethnicity would help to unify, then after maybe 50 year or so when most the old ethnicity died out then you could merge the nations under the Yugoslavian banner have a president or what ever and really itwould be European USA with out the American problems

Force? I talk about democratic unifying.... and also, history proved that you are incorrect.

in all honesty it worked well for the USA so i just think it would work here too

Could you just read my post fully? I'm not going to answer you by writing the same thing I already did, Balkan isn't ex colony.
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08.03.2018 - 10:50
Escrito por Oleg, 08.03.2018 at 10:37

Escrito por Larry, 08.03.2018 at 10:34

Escrito por Oleg, 08.03.2018 at 10:26

Escrito por Larry, 08.03.2018 at 10:13

Escrito por Oleg, 07.03.2018 at 14:09

This is very outdated video that I saw while back ago.
First mistake that I saw is that religious part, over 60% of people in Ux-Yu region (so called western Balkans) are non religious people.
Yugoslavia would not be profitable for Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia, because B&H and Macedonian economy would really be dependent on help from Northern Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia (Montenegro is in middle, Montenegro would actually prosper in such situation, since they are huge importers of food in summertimes since a lot of tourists visit Montenegro in summer season, and their current food production is not enough to feed tourists+locals). Montenegro wod prosper, while similiar thing that happened with Greece in EU would happen to Bosnia on smaller scale. Croatia, Slovenia and Serbia (I always say Northern Serbia) would have a lot of expenses made because of Bosnia and Macedonia (primary Bosnia). Generally, only winner in that situation would be Montenegro, becoming "new Slovenia", and Slovenia would be the biggest looser, followed by Southern Croatia (which would lose its tourists because of new situation in Montenegro) and Northern Serbia.
Last thing that I would say is that completely unified country would not stand a chance to exist, or would most likely be union, more unified than EU but not completely. One president would not, again, be possible, neither the normal parliament. There would be 6 presidents, from every country, that would rotate have representative as main president that would rotate between them every year. Presidential elections would happen every 6 years. Parliament would, most likely, be parted to 7 equal parts, 6 parts would be for every major populations, and 7th for minorities(Albanians, Hungarians...). Government forming would also be pretty complicated. For government to form, there would need to be special system which would, in short, include all nationalities. In theory, for government to form, there would need to be 51% agreement from every of these 7 parts of parliament. Parliament elections would happen every 6/10 years (since it would way too hard to form government actually...)
From what you read above, you could understand why Yugoslavia doesn't exist. People down here are way too nationalistic, they would never accept to have government or president that isn't the same nationality as they are, and that's why Yugoslavia can only exist in dictatorship. It is easy for the USA to exist as it is, since it is just bunch of mixed Europeans that forgot their language and speak only English....(with some exceptions)
At the end, Croat I love you

Inforced intermarriage, a new nation language (that would be forced), and implantation of a new Slavic ethnicity would help to unify, then after maybe 50 year or so when most the old ethnicity died out then you could merge the nations under the Yugoslavian banner have a president or what ever and really itwould be European USA with out the American problems

Force? I talk about democratic unifying.... and also, history proved that you are incorrect.

in all honesty it worked well for the USA so i just think it would work here too

Could you just read my post fully? I'm not going to answer you by writing the same thing I already did, Balkan isn't ex colony.

i read you post but im just saying that mixing the ethnicity's would make Yugoslavia last this time
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08.03.2018 - 11:46
 Oleg
Escrito por Larry, 08.03.2018 at 10:50

Escrito por Oleg, 08.03.2018 at 10:37

Escrito por Larry, 08.03.2018 at 10:34

Escrito por Oleg, 08.03.2018 at 10:26

Escrito por Larry, 08.03.2018 at 10:13

Escrito por Oleg, 07.03.2018 at 14:09

This is very outdated video that I saw while back ago.
First mistake that I saw is that religious part, over 60% of people in Ux-Yu region (so called western Balkans) are non religious people.
Yugoslavia would not be profitable for Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia, because B&H and Macedonian economy would really be dependent on help from Northern Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia (Montenegro is in middle, Montenegro would actually prosper in such situation, since they are huge importers of food in summertimes since a lot of tourists visit Montenegro in summer season, and their current food production is not enough to feed tourists+locals). Montenegro wod prosper, while similiar thing that happened with Greece in EU would happen to Bosnia on smaller scale. Croatia, Slovenia and Serbia (I always say Northern Serbia) would have a lot of expenses made because of Bosnia and Macedonia (primary Bosnia). Generally, only winner in that situation would be Montenegro, becoming "new Slovenia", and Slovenia would be the biggest looser, followed by Southern Croatia (which would lose its tourists because of new situation in Montenegro) and Northern Serbia.
Last thing that I would say is that completely unified country would not stand a chance to exist, or would most likely be union, more unified than EU but not completely. One president would not, again, be possible, neither the normal parliament. There would be 6 presidents, from every country, that would rotate have representative as main president that would rotate between them every year. Presidential elections would happen every 6 years. Parliament would, most likely, be parted to 7 equal parts, 6 parts would be for every major populations, and 7th for minorities(Albanians, Hungarians...). Government forming would also be pretty complicated. For government to form, there would need to be special system which would, in short, include all nationalities. In theory, for government to form, there would need to be 51% agreement from every of these 7 parts of parliament. Parliament elections would happen every 6/10 years (since it would way too hard to form government actually...)
From what you read above, you could understand why Yugoslavia doesn't exist. People down here are way too nationalistic, they would never accept to have government or president that isn't the same nationality as they are, and that's why Yugoslavia can only exist in dictatorship. It is easy for the USA to exist as it is, since it is just bunch of mixed Europeans that forgot their language and speak only English....(with some exceptions)
At the end, Croat I love you

Inforced intermarriage, a new nation language (that would be forced), and implantation of a new Slavic ethnicity would help to unify, then after maybe 50 year or so when most the old ethnicity died out then you could merge the nations under the Yugoslavian banner have a president or what ever and really itwould be European USA with out the American problems

Force? I talk about democratic unifying.... and also, history proved that you are incorrect.

in all honesty it worked well for the USA so i just think it would work here too

Could you just read my post fully? I'm not going to answer you by writing the same thing I already did, Balkan isn't ex colony.

i read you post but im just saying that mixing the ethnicity's would make Yugoslavia last this time

Impossible, we are already mixed.
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08.03.2018 - 16:41
Escrito por Nero, 07.03.2018 at 10:27

Would be stronk 15 reinf and 212 income.




you left Albania out...XAAXXAAXXAXAXAXAAAXXAXAXAAXXA
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08.03.2018 - 18:30
 Witch-Doctor (Mod)
Escrito por Khal.eesi, 08.03.2018 at 16:41

Escrito por Nero, 07.03.2018 at 10:27

Would be stronk 15 reinf and 212 income.




you left Albania out...XAAXXAAXXAXAXAXAAAXXAXAXAAXXA


1930s yugoslavia, what's wrong with that?
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