Who is the best player ever lived?

I am no panteri23 or clovis fan as i am sure everyone knows but i would never deny their skills or game accomplishments. Try for some objectivity people. Calling 4nic out and trying to make out he's the product of a weaker generation is just plain wrong. Prime 4nic stomps everyone on that list in their respective primes bar me and clovis.

Eagle best player

Escrito por W4R_MaChINE, 25.09.2018 at 22:01

Eagle best player

No u

Escrito por Permamuted, 25.09.2018 at 20:03

I am no panteri23 or clovis fan as i am sure everyone knows but i would never deny their skills or game accomplishments. Try for some objectivity people. Calling 4nic out and trying to make out he's the product of a weaker generation is just plain wrong. Prime 4nic stomps everyone on that list in their respective primes bar me and clovis.

"prime 4nic" hah! Come on lao, with your experience, you shouldve been able to see more into this.

all 4nic plays is ukr and sometimes turkey when his opponent picks ukr. Ive seen him with all other countries. You tell me that 4nic west or east can beat opi at his prime? or any of those players at their prime? hell no. 4nic is a cheap player who always tries to pick battles where he has advantage. Once i challenged him in a death duel and he accepted then he sent me pr "only if i pick ukr". Why? So he could play with ds....

I am the best Ukraine ever. ask Illyria!

Shame on all of you for not including hormiga on this thread

RIP 4 nic...

Escrito por Witch-Doctor, 25.09.2018 at 12:06

Unleashed hands down. This guy is fighteningly good. He is the most feared nazi germany and sm ukr player i've ever seen in a decade of atwar. He got so good at the game that mods had to ban him because nobody else was having any fun. Some of us still have flashbacks of having to play unleashed and are still undergoing treatment for it.

I got owned by unleashed ukraine. Still hurts.

Escrito por Guest, 25.09.2018 at 20:20

If players like Buff, Tophats, Goblin... etc played to the modern era and adapted to this newer meta like players nowadays then the outcome may be different. If we take prime Tophats and put him up against prime 4nic in html5 then 4nic will probably win overall but if you reverse it and place prime 4nic against prime Tophats in silverlight then i don't think 4nic would have the slightest chance. Different era's, different games and different metas.

Different meta yes but not different games. Top tier players nowadays are stronger than what they were in 2013-2015. A good person to talk to about this is Acquiesce. He was active and competed throughout all the different eras of aw and played with and against all the legendary players/clans. We were chatting about this some months ago and we both agreed witch is probably the best aw player of all time.

Escrito por Aristote, 26.09.2018 at 00:35

"prime 4nic" hah! Come on lao, with your experience, you shouldve been able to see more into this.

all 4nic plays is ukr and sometimes turkey when his opponent picks ukr. Ive seen him with all other countries. You tell me that 4nic west or east can beat opi at his prime? or any of those players at their prime? hell no. 4nic is a cheap player who always tries to pick battles where he has advantage. Once i challenged him in a death duel and he accepted then he sent me pr "only if i pick ukr". Why? So he could play with ds....

That nic and ds ukr thing is just a meme. I even troll him with that but its not true. Idk what games you've seen but i've seen him play across eu, asia, mideast, america, dreamworld etc. He's jumped over 1700 elo at least twce to my knowledge. And yes nic is better than opi imo.

Escrito por Permamuted, 26.09.2018 at 07:39

Escrito por Guest, 25.09.2018 at 20:20

And yes nic is better than opi imo.

Dude, opi has no brain when nic has > 165 IQ

But i'll agree on the fact that he's a FAG who refuses to 5k duel. Noob nic, fuck off

Escrito por Ruse, 26.09.2018 at 00:28

and acq, this pool is meant to contain high skilled players not being best at some autistic things.

If that was the case, then why did you include opi or mp

Rest I can understand...

What about best team of all time for 3v3? Can be any Era or multiple considering the stark meta changes between 2010, 2011 - 2012, 2013 - 2016, 2017 - Present.

In terms of consistent wins and the expedience of them, I'd bet on Ironail/Aristosseur/Cacao for 2011 - 2012. 2010 was obv the classic Sificvoid/Gigglin/Zizou latejoin allyfag squad. Don't know about other eras though. What would you guys think?

Escrito por Ruse, 26.09.2018 at 08:36

We are here to discuss and everyone has their own opinion. in my opinion clovis is the best player of all time and nobody can even come closer to him. i think new generation players are not good they are just average players but luckly this game is over so they can just easly win duels against noobs. also im planning to make a top 20 list by contacting pro players so we can see who are the bests.

Kiss his ass now that he's admin

Lmao CE
lmao Trystane

I straight out TROLL this RETARDED thread and you two start barking its FUNNY AS HELL

To ce: First of all, you out of all people shouldnt talk about skill, you were always considered a NOOB by everyone and your inability to reach an elo peak or any record proves it, its always loudmouth talkers like you who want to stay relevant by picking fights with people better than you in every possible way. You havent even reached 1500 elo, heck you cant maintain 1400 elo even if you wanted to. You're talking to a guy whos reached 1700 elo 3 fucking times.

Mention how people who reached elo peaks maintain that elo for a long time, well guess what, when i had 1751 elo i held above 1700 elo for over 2 weeks. and i havent dropped under 1600 elo in over a year.

You like to talk about how back in silverlight people were better duelists, why havent you ever reached a peak back then. Even unleashed is more productive towards atwar then you.
lastly i obviously trolled with wd and eagles but your IQ is too low to comprehend it. Your ds ukraine comment is funny as HELL too since we death dueled a year ago and i beat your DS poland with PD germany, go delete account or ask a mod to do it.



To Trystane: You talking about dead 2012 players and a dead 2012 meta that not even yourself know, thing is i dont know how i would perform against tophats since i dont know the old meta, but lets say old meta had SM and Blitz as OP strats, i would obviously develop my gameplay around these strats so i can have a higher winrate in duels, right? Why would you take old players into consideration with skill to the new players when you yourself know the meta is changed so much from then.
Makes no sense but what to expect from you. Your highest atwar achievement was a flame war between us just 2 weeks ago, when you didnt wanna tie turn 2 and cried when mods stepped in to do the right thing. Your second highest achievement was taking free wins from black swans account to get 1500 elo and be considered a ''good player''. CONGRATS you a good player now, nobody will ever call you a noob.



Anyway theres always going to be envious dogs barking when a certain player surpasses everyones expectations. its pure envy, wd got called a hacker by mauzer and all MK. Clovis got called a farmer for only playing SA when he got his elo peak, Grom and eagle get called lucky cause of beating everyone in duels, i could go on and on, but you get the point.
Im done taking criticizm from noobs like you two, especially corrambo since nobody with a clear mind respects his opinion. have a nice day bitches.

This came straight from the heart, appreciate it. ♥

Escrito por 4nic, 26.09.2018 at 11:37

None of them
and best from what aspect

Furthermore, I consider that NWE must be destroyed

Escrito por j-e-s-u-s, 26.09.2018 at 11:56

None of them
and best from what aspect

Best troll

Escrito por 4nic, 25.09.2018 at 15:44

Escrito por Acquiesce, 25.09.2018 at 14:27

Escrito por Waffel, 25.09.2018 at 10:43

Eagles8539

Peak Eagles was the best slowroller. The Steve Aoki antidote

you mean this BUM right?

hes playing on laptop without mouse calm down D
also nice not showing previous cws where you lost 4 in a row before you won 1 D

Escrito por PleaseMe, 26.09.2018 at 12:13

Escrito por 4nic, 25.09.2018 at 15:44

Escrito por Acquiesce, 25.09.2018 at 14:27

Escrito por Waffel, 25.09.2018 at 10:43

Eagles8539

Peak Eagles was the best slowroller. The Steve Aoki antidote

you mean this BUM right?

hes playing on laptop without mouse calm down D
also nice not showing previous cws where you lost 4 in a row before you won 1 D

shhh

Escrito por Ruse, 26.09.2018 at 00:28

and acq, this pool is meant to contain high skilled players not being best at some autistic things.

Fair enough. I don't think you can get the most skilled player from winning the most duels alone though. For example, like I said Tophats and Goblin were two of the greatest duelists I've ever seen, but basically trash in a team game. Needing an ally I'd take a pretty objectively lower tier Khaleesi or Dbacks over them any day. IMO the most skilled players join dueling skills with team play: including the ability to read a game, assess where your allies are, serve the team function you're needed for, and convert bad situations into wins for your clan.

Escrito por Guest, 26.09.2018 at 08:57

What about best team of all time for 3v3? Can be any Era or multiple considering the stark meta changes between 2010, 2011 - 2012, 2013 - 2016, 2017 - Present.

In terms of consistent wins and the expedience of them, I'd bet on Ironail/Aristosseur/Cacao for 2011 - 2012. 2010 was obv the classic Sificvoid/Gigglin/Zizou latejoin allyfag squad. Don't know about other eras though. What would you guys think?

2013 was hands down any stalins martians team with goblin on it.

Escrito por Nero, 26.09.2018 at 11:58

Escrito por j-e-s-u-s, 26.09.2018 at 11:56

None of them
and best from what aspect

Best troll

clovis obviously,,,

Furthermore, I consider that NWE must be destroyed

Noobs,wait till i reach at least r12,r13...then I'll ask you who's the strongest.

I can name at least 5 players who are way better than 4nic..
Eagle
Laochra
Don
Opi
Panteri

Not to mention others like WD,Clovis and rest of the gang..

Well it's Clovis even tho he is a troll. he is really the best player of all time

What the fuck is this above?

Escrito por Goblin, 27.09.2018 at 02:09

Escrito por 4nic, 25.09.2018 at 13:08

anyway here is your top 10 best players to ever live list.

Elo does not measure players strenght, it measures your relative strenght compared to others at the present time.
Comparing elo's from different time periods like this is incorrect since every number is comparable only to its own period, its value is only determinable by comparison to other peoples numbers of its own period.

Imagine holding the first spot with 1751 elo while the average of other players is at 1400... now imagine 4 years later the average of the players rising to 1600. Your numbers value isnt the same as 4 years ago, it slowly declined in comparison to others.
The more people that engage in duels over time more elo will be thrown into the pool and into the rotation. This is why the average elo of better players is ever rising and why now in 2018. someone at 1600 can on average in duels earn more and lose less then he would in 2014.

For more on this read up about "elo ratings inflation".

i mentioned elo inflation in an argument with ruse in this thread, when clovis made the record the elo pool had pro players at 1500-1550 elo, currently it didnt move by much, its at 1550-1600
anyway all these records on the list are newer all the old records have been flushed out, which were pretty close too 1640s 1630s and such

Eagle>don

Escrito por Acquiesce, 26.09.2018 at 12:50

Escrito por Ruse, 26.09.2018 at 00:28

and acq, this pool is meant to contain high skilled players not being best at some autistic things.

Fair enough. I don't think you can get the most skilled player from winning the most duels alone though. For example, like I said Tophats and Goblin were two of the greatest duelists I've ever seen, but basically trash in a team game. Needing an ally I'd take a pretty objectively lower tier Khaleesi or Dbacks over them any day. IMO the most skilled players join dueling skills with team play: including the ability to read a game, assess where your allies are, serve the team function you're needed for, and convert bad situations into wins for your clan.

Not only this, but overall adaptability and understand of core components really are what makes a player great. I hate to say this, but some of the classically good players were ones using exploits that have now become core features in the meta. Has there been a player that's been excellent at dueling, 3v3, world games, and scenarios, though? IE able to assess any situation and objectively do the best they can in every one?

Escrito por Guest, 27.09.2018 at 15:09

Escrito por Acquiesce, 26.09.2018 at 12:50

Escrito por Ruse, 26.09.2018 at 00:28

and acq, this pool is meant to contain high skilled players not being best at some autistic things.

Fair enough. I don't think you can get the most skilled player from winning the most duels alone though. For example, like I said Tophats and Goblin were two of the greatest duelists I've ever seen, but basically trash in a team game. Needing an ally I'd take a pretty objectively lower tier Khaleesi or Dbacks over them any day. IMO the most skilled players join dueling skills with team play: including the ability to read a game, assess where your allies are, serve the team function you're needed for, and convert bad situations into wins for your clan.

Not only this, but overall adaptability and understand of core components really are what makes a player great. I hate to say this, but some of the classically good players were ones using exploits that have now become core features in the meta. Has there been a player that's been excellent at dueling, 3v3, world games, and scenarios, though? IE able to assess any situation and objectively do the best they can in every one?

yes, me.