03.09.2015 - 14:34
Because this religion is keeping you and your people prisoners. You said yourself how importand to you is tradition and customs. Until that mentality is broken your people will never be able to think for themselves. I dont want to make a long post, the main word here is secularism. Until this word is introduced to muslims there is no way forward. Because the teachings of Islam have been integrated in your culture, your laws, your ethics, your morals, the way you think. Can a journalist or a politician openly express himself in Muslim countries without threat of jail and death? Can a muslim openly convert to Christianity without threat for his life? Can an artist make satire of religion without becoming headless? Can a kid be gay without being tortured and killed? Can a female enjoy the same rights and privileges as a male? Can muslims in Western countries stop chasing with axes and killing in the streets, journalists who made satire of their religion? Until these and other questions like these are answered with a yes, i will keep fighting islam. Until i see another (only one so far) muslim get a nobel prize award in sciences or muslims hit the streets to protest for better education and not to hang another homo, i will keep fighting islam. until i stop seeing a grown ass man dropping to his fucking knees 5 times a day, bowing and praying to someone that someone mentioned in an old book..you get my point. I want to see your people the "peacefull" muslims break free of the shackles, start being tolerant towards your own people and then to others, progress and thrive. i really wish it. until then i dont trust, sorry. edit: just so you know, one of my best real life buds is palestinian. he has integrated perfectly and is very succesfull and happy here. Guess what..he is not muslim. we judge together christians and muslims alike.
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03.09.2015 - 14:38
I studied theology and i've read Quran, so you cant call me anti-islam, and therefore let me just say that Quran says to spread peace and support humanian aid, give charity, but also encourage Muslims to fight non-Muslims and spread religion. That part can be considered violent. Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing but if they desist, then Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun " Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things." Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority" Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing: But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah. But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and take no friends or helpers from their ranks." Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit, except those who are disabled, and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit . Unto each, Allah has promised good, but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit by a huge reward " Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna and religion should be only for Allah"
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03.09.2015 - 14:50
A degenerated Anarchist with progressive ideas vs an anti-western muslim vs a putin-bot plz keep fighting, spare no one.
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03.09.2015 - 14:56
and i mentioned them,under "others",should i mention every freaking nation that fought them?
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03.09.2015 - 15:00
i will argue that. not really, maybe not a drone of the media but certainly a drone of Tik tok. Seriously the resemblance in your line of thought and writing is ridiculous.. do you have a manifesto in his clan forum that you all borrow from it or something lol. I see the same scaremongering propaganda, really transparent if you ask me. " Oh the big black men are coming they take our jerbs, raping our females and doing aqll our crime, oh the big brown muslims coming they conquer all europe, they isis" so "LETS ALL VOTE FOR NATIONAL SOCIALISTS, THEY GONNA SAVE US FROM DESTRUCTION. BECOME A FASCIST NOW OTHERWISE EUROPE WILL BE CONQUERED" gtfo tunder. this kind of reasoning is childish and only worked during specific circumstances with nazi germany, people aint falling for it again. isis and alqaida are made up and ALLOWED to live. Theres no muslim master plan for europe conquest, theres just muslim opressors, muslim citizens who let themselves be opressed and opress others and Usa playing the master pupeteer.
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03.09.2015 - 15:03
Some of your questions is a skewed perspective, some of your questions is already a yes, some of your questions are represented by Muslims who don't follow Islam dutifully, and some of your questions are based on your views. Again, They're not following Shar'iaa dutifully. @first Q: That's because the leaders aren't fair and don't follow Islam correctly, and now its starting to change. People say whatever they want on the media. @2nd Q: Yes. Of course people concerned about him will advise him not to but any threat to life is absurd. I don't know how it is in your country. @3rd Q: Extremists don't represent Islam. After all my posts how don't you understand that yet?@ 4th Q: Same answer as 3. @5th Q: Yes. Khadija Mohamed's wife controlled many state affairs and was controlling a big part of their trade. Again its about the people not following Islam correctly. @6th Q: idk how it is in western countries, but again people not interpreting Islam correctly. There are a lot of bright and promising Muslims making breakthrough's in their respective fields, and they aren't given enough recognition by their unfair leaders. The message I want to get through to you is that it's not Islam's fault but people's way of taking it to an extreme level or misinterpreting it. Do you understand that? Bowing and dropping to our knees is how we pray to God. Its how we show that we are merely human beings in a huge universe. Its humbling, and it makes all humans equal. Rich or poor, man or woman, black or white, anything, we all bow down and get on our knees. If that's not equality then I don't know what it. I get if you don't get it, perspective is key, but I hope your position has changed at least a little.
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03.09.2015 - 15:03
talking about defending muslim invasion of europe and not mentioning greece while mentioning poland (dafuq) is an insult to the concept of history and the human species as a whole. Greece literally lost everything, just so you can talk english now and say goodnight to your jesus. you are welcome.
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03.09.2015 - 15:06
read on on siege on vienna and see what poland did,and what did greeks exactly do? most of their achivemants were in 19th century and by then otto was as dangerous as a kitten on ice
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03.09.2015 - 15:12
i know better than you what happened in vienna. and this game being historical in nature almost all of us here know a little bit of history, while you just proved with this joke of a sentence, you know shit. im not gonna chew-feed you 500 years of history, theres the internet, go read for fuck shake, before you make ignorant statements like the above.
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03.09.2015 - 15:13
excuse me? do you forget about the Greek empire? aka the byzantine empire? aka the east roman empire? the byzantine empire prevented the Saracens from destroying Europe, for real, the only reason the karlings were not put to the sword is because the Byzantines foiled most if not all of the saracen invasions.
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03.09.2015 - 15:15
If you mention the Austrians who consistently got their ass kicked by the Turks, you should probably mention the fucking greeks
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03.09.2015 - 15:17
and what did your little rant prove? only 1 think,you have huge inferiority complex that kicked in the second you saw greece wasnt on the list. once you learn to cope with those mental health issues then we can discuss
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03.09.2015 - 15:19
austrians were pretty much patrons for croats,and croats lost only 3 big battles (krbava,mohacs (with hungarians and others) and sziget (battle is a loss but ottomans lost loads of men and time),sisak,jajce,sinj..... are all wins for croats and austrians
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03.09.2015 - 15:20 the polish and Hungarians were still sheep fucking pagans, while the mighty Byzantines had to fight the equivalent of a fanatical ottoman empire on steroids
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03.09.2015 - 15:22
yes, i'm not an expert of anything, and don't know these exact lines and which Surah they came from, but again perspective perspective perspective. There were times were Muslims were being discriminated, persecuted, and fought. Reading the Quran you should know that and know most of this was fighting back. Can you give me any verse where it was stated go out of your way to fight irrelevant people in the name of Allah? I know Muslims are encouraged to fight against people who fight us for defense, and we should spread Allah's religion doing so.
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03.09.2015 - 15:23
Before the Ottomans, first there were Arabic khalifats, after them Seljuk Turks and other Turkish tribes... and then came the Ottomans.
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03.09.2015 - 15:24
and how did that go for them? remember ottomans and byzantine also worked together in one point against serbs when serbs came close to constantinople. if you just use your brain for a sec you will see ottomans were most powerfull when they rushed wien,first attempt failed because of croats in szigetvar and second failed because of polish interfierence in wien,so this shows that wien and rest of europe was saved by croats and poles in those 2 battles with ofc huge help from hungarians and austrians
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03.09.2015 - 15:34
The Abbasid empire was way stronger than the ottoman empire, because at the time of the invasions the Muslims had naval supremacy, a united Muslim population, the difference in technology was not huge, the Muslims were more fanatical than during the ottoman age, and the Byzantines had to worry about Slavic invasions in the north.
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03.09.2015 - 15:38
talk about alternate history lmao. Greeks and Serbs were fighting kebabs for 500 turns, poland and austria latejoined at turn 499 and got all the sp. you are a joke.
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03.09.2015 - 15:41
oh i know that the arab caliphate is different from the ottoman empire, but i was comparing both of them, by saying that the arab caliphate was the equivalent of a ottoman empire on steroids, but perhaps my english was just crappy ;P
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03.09.2015 - 15:50
serbs have just one fucking battle with turks and you say they are the ones that kept europe safe? kosovo 1389 is their only fight and they lost it,second kosovo battle was in 1444 i think (could be a year or two off) but that was the coalition fighting (hungarians,austrians,croats,italians,albanians.....) then there was first campaign on belgrade in which hungarians and croats broke the siege and saved serbs,after that in 2nd fight for belgrade it fell. khal look over that complexit wall that is preventing you from recognising that anybody else but greece and srbia did anything in the campaign
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03.09.2015 - 15:55
In a more serious note, if you disagree with any of the things i am saying then you are welcome to debate me one idea at the time instead of just generalizing my entire way of thinking and calling me a hate-monger, unlike most of the lefties in this forum my stances do change when i am provided with decent arguments currently we both agree that uncontrolled immigration is wrong, and that most Muslims are extremists, right? so i don't see why we are arguing in this topic
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03.09.2015 - 15:57
No sorry, i read it wrong... don't forget crusaders fucking them up on the way to Crusades as well. Holy shit i have a felling khal is writing a huge ass post to me... Btw. isn't it interesting how people can doubt recent history... but something that happened 500 or 1000 years ago they are certain about without a question.
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03.09.2015 - 16:19
what does that have to do with the subject? anyway to explain it to you,for croats nazis invading yugo was salvation from serbian tyranny,thats why we supported germans that much
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03.09.2015 - 16:36
never said only serbia and greece did anything in the campaign. more that they were closest to the threat and the first to fall and undisputably lost more than any other western country. Also the fact that the byzantine empire, one of the greatest gems of our history fell defending the west against muslims and ottomans for hundreds of years, so an ignorant, ungratefull prick like you can spit on it. As for your claim about austria and poland, at the point of the siege of Vienna the ottoman empire was getting hit from all sides, north east, south, west, vassal and conquered states were rebelling everywhere, ottomans were falling behind in miltary technologies and tactics while the West were "learning" its opponent teqniques and how to effectively defend against them. Add the fact that it needed fucking months for more reinforcements to join the front in Austria and the cannons used to take Instabul couldnt even make it up there and along with 100 more reasons, you can get to the conclusion. now fuck off ignorant croatian drone.
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03.09.2015 - 16:39
I learned a new thing today. croats austrians and polish saved the west from the kebabs and greece and serbia did nothing. clowns in atwar these days lol.
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03.09.2015 - 16:48
it was a jew who funded both sides of that war, now they are richer for it, thats pretty evil, by any standard.
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03.09.2015 - 16:58
But leaving them to die is better? I understand its a big population but if those fatasses on goverments cooperate, im pretty sure we can find solution. Look at refugee camp in turkey and compare it with hungary or Greece
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03.09.2015 - 17:00
Media turned you into an idiot. Were not talking about muslims here or christians , were talking about peoples lifes
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03.09.2015 - 17:48
Let me add picture of 7-years old Nermin Divović who was shot and killed by Serbian sniper in Sarajevo just beacuse he was running on the street. post from you on 02.09.2015 in Why are Atwar players so entitled? http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=21294 you are nacist who care only for Croatians (ancient war tribe who came in europe from Iran lol you study this in croatian history books) and blame serbs in forums, in other game you will get perma ban you shitty racist kid "Race is a real cultural, political and economic concept in society, but it is not a biological concept, and that unfortunately is what many people wrongfully consider to be the essence of race in humans -- genetic differences," says Templeton Race doesn't exist, racism does Тhere migrations and invasions from ancient time,Europe is still here and no one will destroy Take USA for example country build from immigrants from whole world,biggest minority is germans but after few generations this people forgot their origin and language now all of them are American patriots and speak english Zlatan Ibrahimovic is also good example, he is refugee from yu war now he play for Sweden speak Swedish and his nathionality is Swedish my point is even if 10 million Syrians settle in Germany they can not impose their own religion and culture to 80 million Germans over time all Syrians will become German Syrians and will speak German language after 200-300 years they will forgot their origins and one of this syrrians will became biger patriot then native germans like tik tok his ancestors are jews now he forgot his origin became retarded nacist who worship Hitler and hate his own people http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/07/the-perfect-aryan-child-the-nazis-used-in-propaganda-was-actually-jewish/
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