Interesting

Did anyone else notice that Skittz is officer? that's new

EDIT: Okay jokes aside... I don't think the fact that SM have 4 mods have anything to do with VS's 1st place removal. However I do think it would'be more fair if VS elo just was removed, so we could see who truly deserves the three spots (probably MK will still be #1, but the rest of positions would change).

Just skipping VS and giving the next clans the trophies doesn't seems like a good idea at all.

Escrito por Nero, 30.12.2015 at 19:18

Troll Nero will be toned down until the SM's members earn some sort of voice. You would think the SM's leader would take note of the how angry the clan is becoming from all the "no cw" and things in the clan forums. However, this is not the case as 2 new, kind of random, officers were selected with no prior notice. I, and I am sure the rest of the clan, would like some kind of announcement at least.

Soon we shall all be mods and give ourselves 1st muahahahhaha

Yes.. VS is just innocent and all bug abusing and mod decision to take off their 1st place trophy is part of one huge conspiracy made by SM members so they could take 2nd place trophy of the last season. You got them.
Poor Nero

Sorry Nero, we're too busy playing Wesnoth. We'll uh.. get around to some CW's when we're burned out from playing Wesnoth, eventually. Maybe.

@topic,

The number of mods from SM didn't affect the outcome. It'd of been the same if Laochra was in Illyria and Meester elsewhere. If another mod, say Safari (because VS), were to call us out and accuse us of conspiring we could remove our own trophy as well to keep the discussion as objective as possible. But this isn't the case. People were punished via discussion by moderators in mod forums with unanimity. And yes, more than just SM mods made the decision.

Escrito por Desu, 30.12.2015 at 19:54

Sorry Nero, we're too busy playing Wesnoth. We'll uh.. get around to some CW's when we're burned out from playing Wesnoth, eventually. Maybe.

@topic,

The number of mods from SM didn't affect the outcome. It'd of been the same if Laochra was in Illyria and Meester elsewhere. If another mod, say Safari (because VS), were to call us out and accuse us of conspiring we could remove our own trophy as well to keep the discussion as objective as possible. But this isn't the case. People were punished via discussion by moderators in mod forums with unanimity. And yes, more than just SM mods made the decision.

Okay, sounds reasonable enough. I still don't think the entire clan deserves to have their trophy removed, but thanks for the explanation.

Escrito por Steve Aoki, 30.12.2015 at 19:45

Yes.. VS is just innocent and all bug abusing and mod decision to take off their 1st place trophy is part of one huge conspiracy made by SM members so they could take 2nd place trophy of the last season. You got them.
Poor Nero

No it was all you and Mauzer... plotting to take no1.... I'm watching you Steve.
(you guys got punished for the same thing years ago, lol at you hypocrites)

Its clear Panteri hacked in cw this season and klevis hacked last season- they owned up about klevis after panteri was banned... and opi has abused the same hack in casual games (not in competitive) but I don't see why others should suffer for their abuses... they won by a 100 elo gap, they didn't need to hack to win
and even disqualifying klevis they they would have won it...

I dont' agree with removing last seasons trophy when 1 guy hacked.. klevis should be banned for a period and their elo for this season should be reset to 1000... since most of the abuses happened this season!

Either way you're killing the most competitive clan in the game off... well done

Escrito por Phoenix, 30.12.2015 at 20:06

Okay, sounds reasonable enough. I still don't think the entire clan deserves to have their trophy removed, but thanks for the explanation.

People also need to learn their lesson. We can't just slap them on the wrist and let it go, it must stick. Consequences must deter future transgressions. Though, saying that, we were plenty light on VS. It might as well be a slap on the wrist in my eyes. Hopefully everyone calms down a bit and understands. Then everyone can work towards bug reporting instead of bug abuse.

Escrito por Phoenix, 30.12.2015 at 20:15

Its clear Panteri hacked in cw this season and klevis hacked last season- they owned up about klevis after panteri was banned... and opi has abused the same hack in casual games (not in competitive) but I don't see why others should suffer for their abuses... they won by a 100 elo gap, they didn't need to hack to win
and even disqualifying klevis they they would have won it...

I dont' agree with removing last seasons trophy when 1 guy hacked.. klevis should be banned for a period and their elo for this season should be reset to 1000... since most of the abuses happened this season!

Either way you're killing the most competitive clan in the game off... well done

These glitches are easily spread throughout their clan, so while it's not proven they all did it, we know for sure the named ones did and they took part in CWs. Competitive play was affected. Lying then denying it worsens the situation. They did both. Of course something like this had to happen.

This is also not our fault, we are not "killing" their clan. They tried to have their cake and eat it too. It doesn't work when someone cheats and expects nothing in return.

What are these gliches?

Escrito por Desu, 30.12.2015 at 19:54

Sorry Nero, we're too busy playing Wesnoth. We'll uh.. get around to some CW's when we're burned out from playing Wesnoth, eventually. Maybe.

hellraiser convinced you to play that? damn he has op diplomacy skills

Mfw entire clan left me to go play Wesnoth
Whatever, I don't need you guys. Hi I am a strong independent Nero who don't need no clan.
1v3 cw anyone?

Escrito por clovis1122, 30.12.2015 at 19:22

Escrito por Nero, 30.12.2015 at 19:18

Troll Nero will be toned down until the SM's members earn some sort of voice. You would think the SM's leader would take note of the how angry the clan is becoming from all the "no cw" and things in the clan forums. However, this is not the case as 2 new, kind of random, officers were selected with no prior notice. I, and I am sure the rest of the clan, would like some kind of announcement at least.

for a second I thought you were serious, well done

Escrito por Phoenix, 30.12.2015 at 20:15

Escrito por Steve Aoki, 30.12.2015 at 19:45

Yes.. VS is just innocent and all bug abusing and mod decision to take off their 1st place trophy is part of one huge conspiracy made by SM members so they could take 2nd place trophy of the last season. You got them.
Poor Nero

No it was all you and Mauzer... plotting to take no1.... I'm watching you Steve.
(you guys got punished for the same thing years ago, lol at you hypocrites)

Yet they're still here, and even though they probably cried about it at the time they see this and realize this punishment given was reasonable.
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You can go on how about SM has 4 mods and is trying to skew AW in our favor but in reality they were chosen for a reason. They are stand-out, contributive, helpful, and intelligent members of the community, and most importantly they can make judgement calls without being biased.

The mod team as a whole made a decision, but you focus on the four individuals who seemingly benefitted from it. ok.

Escrito por The Tactician, 31.12.2015 at 02:13

Escrito por clovis1122, 30.12.2015 at 19:22

Escrito por Nero, 30.12.2015 at 19:18

Troll Nero will be toned down until the SM's members earn some sort of voice. You would think the SM's leader would take note of the how angry the clan is becoming from all the "no cw" and things in the clan forums. However, this is not the case as 2 new, kind of random, officers were selected with no prior notice. I, and I am sure the rest of the clan, would like some kind of announcement at least.

for a second I thought you were serious, well done

Escrito por Phoenix, 30.12.2015 at 20:15

Escrito por Steve Aoki, 30.12.2015 at 19:45

Yes.. VS is just innocent and all bug abusing and mod decision to take off their 1st place trophy is part of one huge conspiracy made by SM members so they could take 2nd place trophy of the last season. You got them.
Poor Nero

No it was all you and Mauzer... plotting to take no1.... I'm watching you Steve.
(you guys got punished for the same thing years ago, lol at you hypocrites)

Yet they're still here, and even though they probably cried about it at the time they see this and realize this punishment given was reasonable.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You can go on how about SM has 4 mods and is trying to skew AW in our favor but in reality they were chosen for a reason. They are stand-out, contributive, helpful, and intelligent members of the community, and most importantly they can make judgement calls without being biased.

The mod team as a whole made a decision, but you focus on the four individuals who seemingly benefitted from it. ok.

No...

As you know not many mods are active and I see a heck of a lot of meester and laochra who both seem to be directly involved with calling the punishment.

I'd like to know exactly what was said and by who.
Ok?

Ok....

Cita:

Escrito por Phoenix, 31.12.2015 at 02:27

No...

As you know not many mods are active and I see a heck of a lot of meester and laochra who both seem to be directly involved with calling the punishment.

I'd like to know exactly what was said and by who.
Ok?

Ok....

Hey if you want to know the exact conversation between mods on this specific punishment because you think two of the more active mods are in SM therefore the whole of SM is to be accused because it has helpful people who got chosen to take on this duty then ok. ask an admin or mod for the specifics because the community certainly doesn't know them, or perhaps you just wanted to bring attention to this because of a supply of something we have and you simply do not.
ok?
ok...



ban sm bad sm for having mods on their roster!

Cita:

Escrito por The Tactician, 31.12.2015 at 02:44

Escrito por Phoenix, 31.12.2015 at 02:27

No...

As you know not many mods are active and I see a heck of a lot of meester and laochra who both seem to be directly involved with calling the punishment.

I'd like to know exactly what was said and by who.
Ok?

Ok....

Hey if you want to know the exact conversation between mods on this specific punishment because you think two of the more active mods are in SM therefore the whole of SM is to be accused because it has helpful people who got chosen to take on this duty then ok. ask an admin or mod for the specifics because the community certainly doesn't know them, or perhaps you just wanted to bring attention to this because of a supply of something we have and you simply do not.
ok?
ok...



ban sm bad sm for having mods on their roster!

i did not read your post, but the answer is: The Tactician is a religious fundamentalist, and he has kidnapped nero. I declare a crusade on SM until nero is returned and all martians besides nero have been exterminated pacified.

Cita:

Escrito por Tundy, 31.12.2015 at 02:55

Escrito por The Tactician, 31.12.2015 at 02:44

Escrito por Phoenix, 31.12.2015 at 02:27

No...

As you know not many mods are active and I see a heck of a lot of meester and laochra who both seem to be directly involved with calling the punishment.

I'd like to know exactly what was said and by who.
Ok?

Ok....

Hey if you want to know the exact conversation between mods on this specific punishment because you think two of the more active mods are in SM therefore the whole of SM is to be accused because it has helpful people who got chosen to take on this duty then ok. ask an admin or mod for the specifics because the community certainly doesn't know them, or perhaps you just wanted to bring attention to this because of a supply of something we have and you simply do not.
ok?
ok...



ban sm bad sm for having mods on their roster!

i did not read your post, but the answer is: The Tactician is a religious fundamentalist, and he has kidnapped nero. I declare a crusade on SM until nero is returned and all martians besides nero have been exterminated pacified.

No you did. Probably twice or three times.

SM disgust me. What they are doing is horrendous and borderline criminal. Trying to kill a clan full of innocent little angels. Shame on you SM.

Cita:

Escrito por The Tactician, 31.12.2015 at 02:44

Escrito por Phoenix, 31.12.2015 at 02:27

No...

As you know not many mods are active and I see a heck of a lot of meester and laochra who both seem to be directly involved with calling the punishment.

I'd like to know exactly what was said and by who.
Ok?

Ok....

Hey if you want to know the exact conversation between mods on this specific punishment because you think two of the more active mods are in SM therefore the whole of SM is to be accused because it has helpful people who got chosen to take on this duty then ok. ask an admin or mod for the specifics because the community certainly doesn't know them, or perhaps you just wanted to bring attention to this because of a supply of something we have and you simply do not.
ok?
ok...



ban sm bad sm for having mods on their roster!

Why would I be jealous of you having 4 mods?

I posted that pic because something doesn't sit right with me about the chosen punishment, Desu provided a nice explanation which I previously didn't know about... You on the other hand are going all fan boy and blowing your clan off

Go away, you have nothing constructive to say

Escrito por Khal.eesi, 31.12.2015 at 05:54

SM disgust me. What they are doing is horrendous and borderline criminal. Trying to kill a clan full of innocent little angels. Shame on you SM.

it's time for a "Petition to kick Laochra from SM and retrieve back to Illyria" thread?

If sm is evil illuminatic, American style corporation, then helly is Edward snowden and leak all the secrets. Did you know Skittz is a homosexuals Texan who picks up prostitutez in his free time? Or Desus favourite type of porn is lolicon? Bonker liked to show up at 4 am drunk and tries to destroy sm atleast once a month? Did you know sm is dying from inactivity because we allowed laochra in, and he's using his ginger powers to suck the soul of sm out? Did you know sm is the last srb enclave on aw and we all have access to the dead ancients of srb via irc.


I must go now putin is waiting to meet me on Siberia my life is in danger and must make haste!

Cita:

Escrito por Phoenix, 31.12.2015 at 06:04

Escrito por The Tactician, 31.12.2015 at 02:44

Escrito por Phoenix, 31.12.2015 at 02:27

No...

As you know not many mods are active and I see a heck of a lot of meester and laochra who both seem to be directly involved with calling the punishment.

I'd like to know exactly what was said and by who.
Ok?

Ok....

Hey if you want to know the exact conversation between mods on this specific punishment because you think two of the more active mods are in SM therefore the whole of SM is to be accused because it has helpful people who got chosen to take on this duty then ok. ask an admin or mod for the specifics because the community certainly doesn't know them, or perhaps you just wanted to bring attention to this because of a supply of something we have and you simply do not.
ok?
ok...



ban sm bad sm for having mods on their roster!

Why would I be jealous of you having 4 mods?

I posted that pic because something doesn't sit right with me about the chosen punishment, Desu provided a nice explanation which I previously didn't know about... You on the other hand are going all fan boy and blowing your clan off

Go away, you have nothing constructive to say

MAN

I WROTE MY WHOLE POST THEN I CLICKED CANCEL BY ACCIDENT THEN AGAIN THEN IT WENT TO SOME IMAGE AND I LOST IT AGAINNNNNNNNN

anyway, ima sum it up quickly, my first two would've been much better.

I didn't say you were jealous of us having mods, I just assumed you had a lack of a supply of something because you said you wanted to know exactly what every mod said in terms of punishment, yet that info is not with the community (which is the place this thread is taking place in).

I'm not going fan boy, I wasn't taking you seriously which is why my post reeks carelessness and sarcasm. I used helpful contributive objective etc to contrast your (unsupported) claim with the reason they were chosen to hold this position in the first place. If you had the vision to go beyond my not-taking-you-seriously you would've seen that. I'm not defending the mentioned people as mods, but I'm defending them as my clan mates, and even though they need no defense your OP is just too bad not to reply to.

Your OP implied the mods in our clan aren't objective, and then you claim your post is motivated by wanting to know exactly who said what(info not even available to the community), and now you're saying you're making this post because the punishment didn't sit well with you. Get your intentions straight before you assume the worst in others'.

Listen man, I don't want to crap on you, I could easily and fill this forum with it but it's useless. You seem to be a reasonable person, but just look at your post, you post a single picture with lines pointing from the mods to the 2nd place trophy... No explanation, no supporting evidence, basically nothing constructive, and now you claim I don't have anything constructive to add. Well I do, your post was not only out of line, but it was unsupported. Don't make such a simple minded post and expect people to let it slide. Most people aren't bothered, but I'm fiercely loyal, and I'm not most people. When you make an OP like this one don't without any reasoning don't expect for crap to not get flung at you. Next time, explain your reasons and support your post and I won't give you such a hard time. Have a good day.

Escrito por The Tactician, 31.12.2015 at 12:21

You've got to admit though, this thread itself is a lack of consistency. Latest threads about this subject were locked by both Laochra and Meester asap as they saw it. That is probably (locking thread without discussion) grave the impression that SM was seeking for something there. However, now you see Desu allowing us to comment and express our point of views in this thread, which is IMO what should'be always done.

If anything, trying to suppress the discussion based on the fact that the final decision (remove their trophy) can't be changed is a bad idea. We didn't even got an announcement of this. Many people feel that their voice was being suppressed. An alternative would'be to either announce it via news or making own moderator's news, where people can comment and let themselves be hear.

Experience tells me that people would like to submit their opinions even if it doesn't changes anything. The recent threads about this subject backs it up.

Escrito por clovis1122, 31.12.2015 at 13:11

Escrito por The Tactician, 31.12.2015 at 12:21

You've got to admit though, this thread itself is a lack of consistency. Latest threads about this subject were locked by both Laochra and Meester asap as they saw it. That is probably (locking thread without discussion) grave the impression that SM was seeking for something there. However, now you see Desu allowing us to comment and express our point of views in this thread, which is IMO what should'be always done.

If anything, trying to suppress the discussion based on the fact that the final decision (remove their trophy) can't be changed is a bad idea. We didn't even got an announcement of this. Many people feel that their voice was being suppressed. An alternative would'be to either announce it via news or making own moderator's news, where people can comment and let themselves be hear.

Experience tells me that people would like to submit their opinions even if it doesn't changes anything. The recent threads about this subject backs it up.

I agree with you on that part, giving people a source to discuss a matter civilly is important, and not announcing a change in the game (such as the censored words, which I opposed) is counter-productive for the community. However, making threads such as ''vs 1st trophy'' or ''vs leaders should be banned" (these are both sides of the argument btw) is unauthorized and not the correct way to phrase it. ''Logic and Punishments'' was a good way to approach it, but specifying the case of VS is not.

On of the other hand, is this decision up for discussion, in the end of the day it's the mod's decision. My personal opinion is a big decision should be, but probably not one related to punishment. However, if the player has objections the player can share them with the public if he wants their opinion, but only if in the strictness respectful, non-accusing and non-repetitive manner.

Cita:

Escrito por The Tactician, 31.12.2015 at 12:21

Escrito por Phoenix, 31.12.2015 at 06:04

Escrito por The Tactician, 31.12.2015 at 02:44

Escrito por Phoenix, 31.12.2015 at 02:27

No...

As you know not many mods are active and I see a heck of a lot of meester and laochra who both seem to be directly involved with calling the punishment.

I'd like to know exactly what was said and by who.
Ok?

Ok....

Hey if you want to know the exact conversation between mods on this specific punishment because you think two of the more active mods are in SM therefore the whole of SM is to be accused because it has helpful people who got chosen to take on this duty then ok. ask an admin or mod for the specifics because the community certainly doesn't know them, or perhaps you just wanted to bring attention to this because of a supply of something we have and you simply do not.
ok?
ok...



ban sm bad sm for having mods on their roster!

Why would I be jealous of you having 4 mods?

I posted that pic because something doesn't sit right with me about the chosen punishment, Desu provided a nice explanation which I previously didn't know about... You on the other hand are going all fan boy and blowing your clan off

Go away, you have nothing constructive to say

MAN

I WROTE MY WHOLE POST THEN I CLICKED CANCEL BY ACCIDENT THEN AGAIN THEN IT WENT TO SOME IMAGE AND I LOST IT AGAINNNNNNNNN

anyway, ima sum it up quickly, my first two would've been much better.

I didn't say you were jealous of us having mods, I just assumed you had a lack of a supply of something because you said you wanted to know exactly what every mod said in terms of punishment, yet that info is not with the community (which is the place this thread is taking place in).

I'm not going fan boy, I wasn't taking you seriously which is why my post reeks carelessness and sarcasm. I used helpful contributive objective etc to contrast your (unsupported) claim with the reason they were chosen to hold this position in the first place. If you had the vision to go beyond my not-taking-you-seriously you would've seen that. I'm not defending the mentioned people as mods, but I'm defending them as my clan mates, and even though they need no defense your OP is just too bad not to reply to.

Your OP implied the mods in our clan aren't objective, and then you claim your post is motivated by wanting to know exactly who said what(info not even available to the community), and now you're saying you're making this post because the punishment didn't sit well with you. Get your intentions straight before you assume the worst in others'.

Listen man, I don't want to crap on you, I could easily and fill this forum with it but it's useless. You seem to be a reasonable person, but just look at your post, you post a single picture with lines pointing from the mods to the 2nd place trophy... No explanation, no supporting evidence, basically nothing constructive, and now you claim I don't have anything constructive to add. Well I do, your post was not only out of line, but it was unsupported. Don't make such a simple minded post and expect people to let it slide. Most people aren't bothered, but I'm fiercely loyal, and I'm not most people. When you make an OP like this one don't without any reasoning don't expect for crap to not get flung at you. Next time, explain your reasons and support your post and I won't give you such a hard time. Have a good day.

If I said a single word it would probably have been locked by meester for some BS reason. That's how he works. No supporting evidence? Of what? Of the picture which itself is evidence?

You say I "changed" my argument to "the punishment not sitting right with me".. No I fucking did not. I made a previous thread expressing the very same thing... Which wad locked because Meester gave a BS reason.... So I had to do some digging and think about what other reasons the trophy removal might have popped up.. Instead of banning those who are confirmed to have hacked.. Which would have been justified.

I then noticed SM had a 2nd place trophy for coming 3rd.. And the reason behind removing VS from no1 seemed to add up.

However I appreciates Desu's answer... It was good modding too. And I recently learned from Steve that opi has been banned for bugging a cw... So removing the trophy starts to make more sense.

So again, you don't have anything constructive to add. My reasoning behind posting this was more complex than you seem to fathom, so would you kindly fuck off?

Phoenix makes sense i support him

Cita:

Escrito por Phoenix, 31.12.2015 at 13:46

Escrito por The Tactician, 31.12.2015 at 12:21

Escrito por Phoenix, 31.12.2015 at 06:04

Escrito por The Tactician, 31.12.2015 at 02:44

Escrito por Phoenix, 31.12.2015 at 02:27

t

If I said a single word it would probably have been locked by meester for some BS reason. That's how he works. No supporting evidence? Of what? Of the picture which itself is evidence?

You say I "changed" my argument to "the punishment not sitting right with me".. No I fucking did not. I made a previous thread expressing the very same thing... Which wad locked because Meester gave a BS reason.... So I had to do some digging and think about what other reasons the trophy removal might have popped up.. Instead of banning those who are confirmed to have hacked.. Which would have been justified.

I then noticed SM had a 2nd place trophy for coming 3rd.. And the reason behind removing VS from no1 seemed to add up.

However I appreciates Desu's answer... It was good modding too. And I recently learned from Steve that opi has been banned for bugging a cw... So removing the trophy starts to make more sense.

So again, you don't have anything constructive to add. My reasoning behind posting this was more complex than you seem to fathom, so would you kindly fuck off?

First point is completely wrong, if you made a proper and non-offensive argument it wouldn't be locked, obviously, or else it would in fact be unlawfully locked.

No, first of all you have no reasoning or argument, and no supporting evidence of that non-existent argument. Your picture isn't evidence, not every .png is evidence... Your picture is a claim, yes it has evidence which is SM coming 2nd, but the pic as a whole (because of the arrows and highlighted names) is claiming the relation between SM having 4 mods and getting 2nd place. Where's the evidence to support that claim? The 2nd place trophy? well, sorry, but you're at a lack.

Never said you changed your argument, stop interpreting things the way you want to, or maybe I just need to make myself clearer so you understand what I mean. I said you changed the intentions you claim to have motivated your thread.

I am impartial towards the action taken against VS (I'm pleased but not supportive). Anyway, I've had constructive points to add, and I've added more this post, stop trying to act like I'm not properly discussing this, you're just blocking it out. Trust me your reasoning is not above me, but you simply did not state your reasoning or even a single sentence to back your argument, and that's why I'm giving you a hard time; you're making the viewer connect false dots.

I would kindly not, but you are invited to.

Cita:

Escrito por The Tactician, 31.12.2015 at 14:42

Escrito por Phoenix, 31.12.2015 at 13:46

Escrito por The Tactician, 31.12.2015 at 12:21

Escrito por Phoenix, 31.12.2015 at 06:04

Escrito por The Tactician, 31.12.2015 at 02:44

Escrito por Phoenix, 31.12.2015 at 02:27

t

If I said a single word it would probably have been locked by meester for some BS reason. That's how he works. No supporting evidence? Of what? Of the picture which itself is evidence?

You say I "changed" my argument to "the punishment not sitting right with me".. No I fucking did not. I made a previous thread expressing the very same thing... Which wad locked because Meester gave a BS reason.... So I had to do some digging and think about what other reasons the trophy removal might have popped up.. Instead of banning those who are confirmed to have hacked.. Which would have been justified.

I then noticed SM had a 2nd place trophy for coming 3rd.. And the reason behind removing VS from no1 seemed to add up.

However I appreciates Desu's answer... It was good modding too. And I recently learned from Steve that opi has been banned for bugging a cw... So removing the trophy starts to make more sense.

So again, you don't have anything constructive to add. My reasoning behind posting this was more complex than you seem to fathom, so would you kindly fuck off?

First point is completely wrong, if you made a proper and non-offensive argument it wouldn't be locked, obviously, or else it would in fact be unlawfully locked.

Phoenix: Because mods are perfect.. Take e mare for example.. Oh no wait just SM mods are perfect.. They're not even human beings capable of error, they're martians

No, first of all you have no reasoning or argument, and no supporting evidence of that non-existent argument. Your picture isn't evidence, not every .png is evidence... Your picture is a claim, yes it has evidence which is SM coming 2nd, but the pic as a whole (because of the arrows and highlighted names) is claiming the relation between SM having 4 mods and getting 2nd place. Where's the evidence to support that claim? The 2nd place trophy? well, sorry, but you're at a lack.

Phoenix: Do you even know what my argument is or are you just obsessed with listening to your own words? Because there's an awful lot of them.
Posting the picture wasn't an argument it was a demand for answers, which I got, effectively ending this topic, with no thanks to you.
Just to clarify my ONLY argument used to be that the removal of VS' trophy was unfair, but since learning that opi hacked in a competitive game I'm withdrawing my argument. So you're literally spunking words onto peoples screens for no reason.

Never said you changed your argument, stop interpreting things the way you want to, or maybe I just need to make myself clearer so you understand what I mean. I said you changed the intentions you claim to have motivated your thread.

Phoenix: No sorry you argued that I couldn't clarify or define my intentions, but Infact they were defined and made pretty fucking clear several times before you showed up... In this thread and in others

I am impartial towards the action taken against VS (I'm pleased but not supportive). Anyway, I've had constructive points to add, and I've added more this post, stop trying to act like I'm not properly discussing this, you're just blocking it out. Trust me your reasoning is not above me, but you simply did not state your reasoning or even a single sentence to back your argument, and that's why I'm giving you a hard time; you're making the viewer connect false dots.

Phoenix: You can say you had constructive points to add as much as you like, it doesn't make it true. This thread was over before you joined. You're just wasting energy. My OP was not so much an argument- it was a question of integrity which I no longer have. So again you misunderstood what's happening and you're wasting our time.

I would kindly not, but you are invited to.

Phoenix: Bitch, I'm losing respect for you

At the request of the thread creator, locked.